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I'm interested in recreating a non-standard 1440x462 frame inside a 1920x1080 SuperSource template. Expanding my 1440x462 frame size to full width HD would be 1920x616. I’ve attached a sample graphic below, including the graphic+live video elements I would like to combine with SuperSource.

Here's a link to our current videos for further visual - http://www.heavybit.com/library - this is what I'm looking to replicate.

To clarify my intended setup a little more, we have 3 live video inputs: ‘slides’ as a video feed directly from a presenters computer, wide camera, tight camera. These can all be set to 1080.

I would like to use a foreground image to mimic my post production look that consists of black bars on top and bottom, and a grey separator on top of where the slides and cameras meet - this would be a single premultiplied image I create and download to the ATEM switcher.

Slides are always on the left, and either cam 1 or cam 2 would need to be on the right.

This is the item that needs to be custom coded - as far as I understand, within the super source setup or using the ATEM software control, I can't easily live switch the source that’s used for the video side of the template.

Ideally I would be able to do this using the ATEM software controls. At the moment, I'm planning to use a simple SDI switcher and the AUX ports to achieve this in hardware, but I would prefer an ATEM solution.

 

I'm looking for further information, ideas, and estimates for custom development. Thanks!

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If you have a supersource,

If you have a supersource, you are using a 2ME, so cut cameras on ME2 and put ME2 in the right hand SuperSource box.

Because you cannot put ME1 in a box, and use the SuperSource on an AUX as your output - The ideal solution isn't available. You have to use ME1 a bit "crazy".

What you need to do is put SuperSource on the output, then put Key1 OnAir, put Key2 in the next transition and take background out of the transition.

Setup all your slides pre-rendered in the correct position with the Key for the Still entirely black except a White Square in the location of the graphic.

First Slide on Media Player 1, 2nd Slide on 2. All the rest of the slides in the Media Pool - in sequence if possible. Media Player one on ME1 USK1, media Player2 on ME1 USK2.

Now you can record a macro using the BMD Software that puts the next frame on the Key that is not on-air, and then mix on ME1. Add USERWAIT, repeaty the process with the next frame and the other key / media player.

Hence you end up with a Macro that steps through all your frames one-by-one. If you have loads and loads of frames (more than 32), you need to do this with a Media Clip rather than stills, and rather than changing the media player source, each step moves to the next frame of the sequence on the in preview media player.

This also means you can monitor ME2 Program out and cut your main camera feed full screen, just pushing the Macro-Continue button to step through the frames.

You don't need a developer, you need a TD familiar with the ATEM.

Literally your entire show can be stored in a BMD XML file and a directory full of PNG images.

Good luck - this is an ideal text-book example of what the ATEM does perfectly with no extra frills needed. You don't even need JustMacros.

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Follow up, I've had your

Follow up, I've had your linked video playing whilst writing that post, and I just noticed your slides are fed in externally (obviously I didn't read your post properly), so you don't need the difficult bit of my post, you just need to put ME2 in the right hand box and the laptop feed in the left, save your superbox box configuration to an XML file and go to site.

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you don't even need the png -

you don't even need the png - you can do all of this with the built in functions of the ATEM. 

 

I don't have a 2me here otherwise i'd program it for you and send the xml 

 

you can do the top and bottom mask with DSK1 in pattern key mode - the grey seperator you could do with supersource border on the slides pip - make the pip a little bigger so the top, bottom and left border are cropped off by the edge of the frame and the dsk. 

put ME2 in the camera pip. 

 

Supersource is such a powerful feature, it makes it really quite simple to do these kind of setups. 

 

I need to get a 2me to replace my echolab switcher, I miss the supersource so much... 

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Thanks to you both for

Thanks to you both for getting back to me so quickly!

I'm seriously encouraged by your responses here. It sounds like I won't need to go through the pain of using a hardware switch to make this work.

My concern is that Blackmagic specifically told me that I cannot live switch elements of a SuperSource template like this, even with the ATEM 2 M/E Production Switcher. I don't yet have my switcher to test myself, but your solution sounds exactly as I imagine supersource should work out of the box - it doesn't seem terribly complicated or out of ordinary to want to change what shows in a SuperSource pip area.

As I understand it, I'll use SuperSource on the first M/E, and use the second M/E as the camera source. How do I cut the second M/E using the software controls?

This was their response to my question

"Unfortunately the Supersource is not a live switchable component. You can bring portions to the forefront, etc..., but you cannot live switch those sources. There isn't a way to create a second SuperSource and switch to it either."

Is there something I've missed?

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The only thing you've missed

The only thing you've missed is that a lot of the time blackmagic support people have no idea what they are talking about! I know this might sound harsh but it's been my experience for years now of dealing with the company both here and on their own forum. Often someone at blackmagic will give an authoritative answer which is utterly incorrect.

With supersorce there are many tricks one can use to creatively get round the issues, I've done shows where we had 4 boxes that were all live cut. It was a little unauthoadox but it's totally doable if you think creatively. (You can use cables to create re-entry sources and aux bus routing to give you me1pst, me1pvw, me2pst, me2pvw in the boxes and then route supersource to an aux which becomes your main out) there are some limitations when you do this kind of crazyness but it works even if blackmagic staff don't understand that it does!! 

 

For your setup remember you can save supersource layouts in the switcher setup files and that these can be recalled from macros. Switching between layouts live is possible like this too, though the boxes don't fly to their new positions unless you do a lot of work to make each frame in the fly sequence by hand. 

 

Good luck

cheers

tom

 

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I'd go slightly further than

I'd go slightly further than Tom, and state that (in my opinion) talking to BMD and asking them for help, can be counter-productive as well as a total waste of time.

 

 

 

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I have to second using ME2 as

I have to second using ME2 as the source for the SS box with the camera feed - that is the best way by far.

However, in the spirit of providing options, an alternative would be to copy all the settings from box 2 to box 3 and changing the input of box 3 to the other camera. You can enable/disable the 2nd box and it will cover up the other camera box perfectly and you can cut it on and off air. This will free up ME2 for whatever else you have going on.

But again, using ME2 as the source for the box with the cameras is by far the best solution.

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you can do all of this with a

you can do all of this with a supper source. it is a bit convoluded. 

you need ME1 in a box  and ME2 in a box. 

feed the super source to an AUX 

HARD PATCH ME1 back to an input on the switcher.

NEVER TAKE THAT INPUT TO AIR.... un less you want to watch the pitchers melt off the scree.....

then you can switch the boxes on the in the MEs and on the AUX buss can swap what ever you want to where ever you need it to go. 

 

i might be mis understanding what you are trying to do.  if so sorry. 

 

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I have my switcher installed and Tom Bassford was right - I can accomplish everything I need with the built in SuperSource functions.

Operation is pretty flawless, I only wish there was finer tuned control over sizing - you have to choose percentage scale for almost all resizing options instead of typing in actual pixel dimensions...

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yes that is true. i have run

yes that is true. i have run in to this.

i will have to look tomarow but i know that

you can get finite control over the size and border of the box.

i just dont rember weather it is the with the controler or the desktop app. 

the other thing you can do is place your art on top of the super source as oposed to a background.

with alpha holes cut the size of your images. 

then if the supper source box is too larg it does not matter at all. you will only be able to see throug the hole in the super source art. 

you can all so set up what ever custom borders you want.