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Camera Op Android Tally

Hi All,

The old Wireless Tally app has disappeared from the Play store, and the only other alternative seems to be using METAControl, which runs the risk of one of the Camera ops accidentally pressing a button and switching cameras on me.

Therefore, I have set myself the task of learning to programme Java/Android apps using a basic tally system as a starting point. To make sure I don't start re-inventing the wheel, may I ask if there any place that people are aware of that has relevant Java/Android information that might be of use to me in this project?

My (likely incorrect) assumptions are as follows:

1. There is no direct ATEM library for Java.
2. I will use standard TCP/IP communications to interrogate the ATEM.
3. I have a very limited number of connections available to me on the ATEM. (Part 2 of my project will be to write a PC buffer between the ATEM and the Android device)

Most of this has be gleaned from this topic . Sebastians software would be a great place to start, but he seems to have disappeared from the forum.

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You can find a lot of Arduino stuff here: http://skaarhoj.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

But as far as I know there is little or no info about wireless connections there.

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I like your approach and

I like your approach and intent to code something yourself, and Not wanting to stem that enthusiasm but.....

There are apps ( notouch and touch blocker ) which can disable your touchscreen whilst the meta control app is running.

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Thanks for the info.

Thanks for the info.

AElli wrote:

There are apps ( notouch and touch blocker ) which can disable your touchscreen whilst the meta control app is running. A.

I also think that a camera op needs to not have to remember which camera is his! There are lots of buttons to look at on the METAControl app, and keeping it obvious for the operator is always the best idea. My plan is to have 75% of the screen showing white/green/red depending on the status of the particular camera (clear/PVW/PGM) and the lower 25% showing which camera is actually on-air. I spend so much of my directing time telling ops who is on/not on/next!

Who knows, maybe the METAControl people will read this and release a Tally app based on the same code - that would be the easiest solutino of all!!

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I have done some work on the wired tally hardware side of METAControl with Deti who wrote the app and at one stage he did mention that it would be not to hard to write a wireless app, Unfortunately he got real busy with work and family and appears to be not active here anymore but I will contact him and ask if he is interested to write an wireless app. Will let know the outcome of that.

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Strata View for tally

When I remember correctly, you can use Strata View for tally. It can be switched to display the state of a single source / camera by pressing the corresponding source key...

http://www.livepad.co.uk/

By the way: flatech, why does all your camera operators need to know, which source is on air ?

Here a video:

See video

view form 3:50  to 6:00

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thos-berlin wrote:

When I remember correctly, you can use Strata View for tally. It can be switched to display the state of a single source / camera by pressing the corresponding source key...

http://www.livepad.co.uk/

By the way: flatech, why does all your camera operators need to know, which source is on air ?

Thanks for that. Unfortunately, Strata View is for IPhone only, and the budget won't stretch to that - We can pick up Android phones for a just a few quid.

As for the Ops know what is On-Air, I think it is a habit that they have gotten into over the years as an alternative to asking "Am I on?"!!

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Sorry, in the productions I

Sorry, in the productions I worked, I had only red light and the cutter gave an "attention" via intercom before switching. If working with studio cameras I also had a video return view....

I have to try it, but think iPod touch also work with Strata View.

Are your cameras wireless connected to vision mixer, and also have a wireless intercom ?

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thos-berlin wrote:

Sorry, in the productions I worked, I had only red light and the cutter gave an "attention" via intercom before switching. If working with studio cameras I also had a video return view....

I have to try it, but think iPod touch also work with Strata View.

Are your cameras wireless connected to vision mixer, and also have a wireless intercom ?

We don't have the ability for the ops to have a return feed - they are using camcorders as cameras and viewfinders as monitors. We do have wired talkback and wired connections back to the Vision Mixer.

iPod touches are also beyond our budget of no money! (I'm in the education sector - if I went looking for money for four iPods I would be laughed at.) I am director and vision mixer and tape op and streaming op and .... !

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When your cameras are wired

When your cameras are wired to the vision mixer and your intercom is wired, why are you searching for wireless tally ? I am sure, you could build a Arduino based wired tally system for less than 100 or 150 € / $ ..... (Arduino with ethernet, a relais card or some LED driver, some resistors, LEDs, a power supply and some cables) . Maybe it could be a hardware project for your students ;-)

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thos-berlin wrote:

When your cameras are wired to the vision mixer and your intercom is wired, why are you searching for wireless tally ? I am sure, you could build a Arduino based wired tally system for less than 100 or 150 € / $ ..... (Arduino with ethernet, a relais card or some LED driver, some resistors, LEDs, a power supply and some cables) . Maybe it could be a hardware project for your students ;-)

Basic Android phone is the same price as an Arduino - plus I have quite a few old Androids sitting around doing nothing. No build costs and no issue of additional cabling. No extra power supply at the camera position. No spaghetti of wires on the camera. It's an elegant solution. Stick the phone on the back of the camera. Our mixing system has a wireless hotspot, so it is the solution that fits our requirements.

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I meant 100,-150 in total,

I meant 100,-150 in total, but if you have the android phones for free, use them.

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Mayby after your step 3 (creating a proxy / buffer) you could think about 2 crazy additional features:

1.) Using the smartphones also as intercom
2.) displaying a small return feed

It would be brilliant for wireles camera connections.

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Using METAControl for wireless camera tally

Tlatech wrote: "The old Wireless Tally app has disappeared from the Play store, and the only other alternative seems to be using METAControl, which runs the risk of one of the Camera ops accidentally pressing a button and switching cameras on me."

Also the comment was made that there is too much info on the METAControl screen. A simple idea to overcome all that is to create a mask with a cut out for the PRV and PGM buttons for a particular camera input and stick that over the screen of the mobile. The mobile can be set to auto run METAControl so that access to the screen is no longer required.

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Couple of wireless tally projects on Github

https://github.com/et84121/NCUTV_switcher_tally_light/find/master
 

https://github.com/kalinchuk/ATEM_Wireless_Tally_Light
 

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He wants to use Android

He wants to use Android devices, because he has some "sitting around doing nothing" .... (so no Arduino)

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No response re wireless tally app.

Ten days ago I emailed Deti who wrote the METAControl app and Sebastian who wrote the wireless tally app and asked them about possible ways forward with a wireless Android tally app. Neither has responded so it looks like those avenues are closed now.

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Ten days ago I emailed Deti who wrote the METAControl app and Sebastian who wrote the wireless tally app and asked them about possible ways forward with a wireless Android tally app. Neither has responded so it looks like those avenues are closed now.

Thanks for giving it a go - at least they got asked! A couple of projects have cropped up, so it pushes the project down the road a bit, but I still think it will be worth doing in the future!

Thanks,

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Surprise surprise

Thought I check the wireless tally app one more time and to my great surprise it works fine on both an old mobile with Android 2.2 and my current one with 4.1.2.  The only difference to previous checking is that I took the TVS home from church and am running it via my TPL router, whereas the router at church is one branded Telstra but made by a company who's name I can't remember. To make it more mysterious the tally app used to work at church for a while and then stopped working.

Anyway, it is worth a try. Seeing that the app is no longer on the Playstore I have put it on DropBox, this is the link: 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/107667244/de.sebastian_neu.atemtally...

Have fun!

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Great News :-)

Thanks so much for looking! I won't get a chance to try it out for a few days, but it's really great to get my hands on this!!

Thanks again,

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Teamspeak

I've been following this topic with interest, thank you to everyone for their insight. Concerning using the same Andriod phone as talkback I'm experimenting with teamspeak 3 which you can either run on a local PC or on a server. I've got a point-point 2 way to do and using teamspeak on an internet connected server means everyone on the team in both locations can hear everyone one else.

http://www.teamspeak.com/

For those who don't know teamspeak it's predominantly used by Gamers to communicate during online games. But it's a very professional piece of software with fantastic quality.

The andriod app is £1.49

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Also look at zello if anyone

Also look at zello if anyone wants this type of TalkBack. It's free, you can create as many talk groups as you want. Each talkgroup is password protected to stop others from entering your group. And you can monitor or lockout groups as you need them. Runs on android, iPhone, windows or Linux PC.

We use it more for general com's rather than TalkBack, but I cant see why it could not work, for those on a tight budget.

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Took a look and yes... I can see how it could work in a similar way. Nice application

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See also mumble for voice

See also mumble for voice comms on phones.
 
The simple way to do tally is to use justmacros or an arduino - have this connect to the atem and get the tally info, then make it serve a series of webpages which diaplay the tally info - use whatever phones or ipods to go the webpage - eg http://thearduinoip/camera1 would be a page with camera 1 tally info on. 

simples :) and avoids the issue of loads of direct connections to the atem

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Interesting Idea without any

Interesting Idea without any restrictions - open for every plattform.
But what about site refresh rates ?

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kaaskop wrote:

Anyway, it is worth a try. Seeing that the app is no longer on the Playstore I have put it on DropBox, this is the link: 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/107667244/de.sebastian_neu.atemtally...

Have fun!

Had great hopes for this but couldn't get it to work on any of my android devices.

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The plot thickens

Seeing that I got the Android wireless tally app working just fine at home I have been scratching my head trying to figure out why. As part of the thinking process I realised that the app stopped working at church about the same time when we stopped live streaming which meant that we stopped connecting the internet to the router. So today I connected the internet to the router and yes, you guessed correctly, the app worked flawlessly and what's more, even after the internet was disconnected the app stayed connected to the router and kept working.

So back home I took my TPL router type TL-WR1043ND out of  my home system and connected it only to the TVS and a controller. As expected, the app did not work and again as expected it did work when I connected the internet to the router as well and again the app continued working after I disconnected the internet.

Next I did the same trick with another cheaper TPL router type TL-WR841N, its behaviour was similar but the app did not work consistently. After that came a Fritzbox router type 7270 and with this router the app worked without connecting the internet.

None of this makes sense to me but not being too familiar with router technology I put this information out here in the hope that someone can make sense out of it and suggest the reason for this behaviour and find a fix for it.

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wireless tally app for BMD Atem 1

Hi, can you tell me if the App is still available at this dropbox-location? I would like to try it also but get a "Error (404)" when clicking the link!? 

Friendly greetings from Belgium.

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It no longer works

Hi Dirk,

The app no longer works with the last few versions of the ATEM software so I had deleted it from my dropbox.

Cheers

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Tally for ATEM

I have a Tally solution running on Windows 10 that drives Arduino via USB port. This gives you relay switching for a fraction the cost of the BMD Tally box (Uno can run up to 12 relays).

See video

See video

I'll put out a time restricted beta shortly for anyone willing to test. Works on any Windows 10 device, doesn't have to be PiPo or even touch screen. Have also just added XKeys support to the app but only tested on TVS running 6.8 (i.e. a single ME)

I'll look into adding remote app support to this as it should not be too hard. Trick is that you don't want to many apps making a connection to the ATEM as it can only support 5 connections so the remote apps would connect to my software rather than the ATEM.

I could also easily do preview tally on the arduino if anyone really wanted it. 

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