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Hi everyone,

I have several ATEM switchers, and have been using them for some time now.  Lately, more and more, I'm experience connectivity issues between the software control panel computer and the ATEMs.

Basically, I'll be going along wihtout any issues, then wihtout warning, it will disconnect.  Sometimes, it reconnects within a few seconds, sometimes within a few minutes, and sometimes it doesn't reconnect without a hard reset of the hardware.

About 6 months ago, I tried elminiating our network setup, and just do a direct connection between the control computer and the switcher.  This has eliminated the problem, but also doesn't allow for multiple people (or devices such as an iPad with Strata) to be connected to the switcher.

I'm wondering if there are anybody else has experienced this, and if so, what are some best practices around fixing the connectivity issues, so I can get back to having the deivce be truely networked.

Thanks in advance!

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Yes I have experienced Mixers

Yes I have experienced Mixers going temporarily offline from a client's perspective.

It can be caused by so many things, including transferring files between computers that are not even talking or connected to the ATEM but are communicating on the same switch.

Should not be underestimated, if the situation persists for a long period, it is possible to get the ATEM into a state where it requires a cold-reboot to restore the connection.

Best Practice

  • Managed Switch
  • VLAN for Broadcast Network equipment
  • QoS rules for UDP Port 9910
  • Firewall(s) bridging broadcast VLAN to outside world.

You can create rock-solid bomb-proof reliability this way.

Cheaper Alternative:

  • "Decent" switch but not necessarily "Managed" with ONLY your broadcast equipment on it.
  • Bridge computers requiring outside world connections with second network card/adapter.
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Ill just add, for the ATEM

Ill just add, for the ATEM avoid using wireless links anywhere. Cables are your friends.

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Yes and No
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Ill just add, for the ATEM avoid using wireless links anywhere. Cables are your friends.

Whilst very true, connecting directly to the ATEM via the BMD Software or JustMacros or a UDP implementation over WiFi CAN introduce connection problems, it doesn't normally interfer with the wired comms unless the WiFi re-connections lock-out the ATEM device.

I would add, driving the ATEM over WiFi via a gateway server - (read JustMacros) - is never a problem. I constantly drive my BMD and other devices via WiFi constantly, by issuing HTTP requests against JustMacros which in turn drives the ATEM or other devices. This has the added advantage of being able to have many more than 5 or 7 concurrent connections to the ATEM. Another advantage would be the ability to have phones and tablets go to sleep, and not worry about dealing with re-connections when mobile devices get woken back up again.

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what he said :),  I was

what he said :), 

I was talking directly to ATEM, to JM wouldn't be an issue.

Something else to mention regarding WIFI, I did an event where everything WIFI was great before, punters showed up and all wifi just stopped. due to the massive amount of RF noise, so just be aware of that also.

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Thanks John... quick question

Thanks John... quick question for you...

Do you have any hardware recommendations for Managed Switch and/or router to create the VLAN and customize the QoS rules?

Thanks,

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TP Link or Netgear both have

TP Link or Netgear both have Pro-ish ranges of switches which can do a good job for small and medium sized networks, which if you are buying today are probably better than my 5 year Cisco. Cisco if you can afford it is the total and utter industry standard, but it's expensive and can be overly complex, and not necessarily a good thing unless you have dozen of switches within your company.

Modern mid-range and so-called "Smart switches" normally have VLAN and QoS capabilities, these are the main two features you care about, and at the most basic level, if you can isolate your broadcast gear from anything else connected to the same network, but doesn't need to talk to your gear. AND you establish that the switch should give priority to UDP traffic on port 9910, you'll have done pretty much all that is necessary to "make solid" your broadcast critical data-&-control-comms.

There is just so much complexity to networking it is very difficult to make blanket recommendations. Lets me illustrate by taking three 24 Port gigabyte switches from the, same supplier, same manufacturer, same number of gigabyte ports (copper anyway), all three may be fine for your setup, but.......

EDIT:First Link was wrong

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/netgear-gigabit-smart-switches/13879-netgear-gs724t-300eus-network-switch-0060644909831.html

Is £120.20 and is called "Netgear ProSafe GS724T"

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/netgear-gigabit-smart-switches/8272-netgear-prosafe-gs728tpp-0606449089929.html

Is £549.95 and is called "Netgear ProSafe GS728TPP"

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/netgear-next-gen-edge-switches/2863-netgear-gsm7228ps-100eus-network-switch-0606449071689.html

Is £1288.61 and is called "Netgear ProSafe GSM7228PS"

So someone says on a forum "We use Netgear ProSafe GSs, and they been fine for us", and it may well be true, but doesn't really tell you anything.

There are network configurations that each of these are ideally suited to, and reasons why you would buy one over the other, and those reasons get very complicated very quickly. The £1200 switch has more than twice the switching capacity & bandwidth and much more configurable possible, when compared to the £120 switch, but the £500 version has only a tiny fraction more raw capacity, but has other useful features like Power over Ethernet.

Decide what your maximum budget that you want to invest in your Networking upgrade, and try to find something that fits your budget and perhaps has a little room for expansion, both in terms of being able to add more devices, but also in maybe terms of your understanding of configuration options for networks and learning about your own network utilisation.

I'll say it one last time, VLANs and QoS you MUST be able to configure, so NOT.......

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/netgear-unmanaged-rackmount-switches/3296-netgear-24-port-gigabit-rack-mountable-network-switch-6064490642618.html

Which is also 24 Port and £99 and called a ProSafe JGS524, and may also be fine within your particular setup, but since you can't configure it, it's no use to you!!!!!

If you are going to setup your network to make your connections solid, you have to actually do that, and building a network is more than plugging in all the devices switching the switch on and hoping for the best.

Good Luck, and perhaps when you have a shortlist, post them and let us comment, and when you make your selection & have built your network, you could post descriptions and screenshots of your setup for others to learn from.

Cheers

John

 

 

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Let me aslo recomend (if you

Let me aslo recomend (if you are more advanced), Mikrotik.

 

They make some great routers & switches, but they are more on the advanced side, they do pretty much everything you could want a switch/router to do, but this makes them complex also. They are however quiet cheap and very reliable.

Many ISP's use them now as an alternative to more expensive brands.

 

For a more basic switch like John said, the netgears are good, as are TP-Link as are Cisco Small business.

 

I'm pretty much Mikrotik now, but I can also network engineer :)

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About ATEM

Please tell me anyone?what is ATEM...??

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No joke ? - Spam ? Troll ?

When asking this question in a forum called "ATEMuser" (talking abeout ATEM vision mixers) as a first post, the author seems to be a troll..... (sorry, if not)

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Best Practices for Networking Setup

Great Practices for digital Networking:
 
1. virtual community evaluation
2. vSwitch Configurations
3. What’s New in vSphere five.zero
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There are network

There are network configurations that each of these are ideal for, and the reasons why you buy one over the other, and those reasons get complicated very quickly. The £ 1200 switch has more than twice the switching capacity and much more configurable bandwidth possible, compared to the £ 120 switch, but the £ 500 version has only a small fraction more gross capacity, Cisco 642-996 Dumps but it has Other useful features like Power over Ethernet.

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altonwaisu a troll ?

Repeating Johns ideas from August 2016 and linking an advertising in the first post on his first day in forum - altonwaisu seems to be a troll (fo me).

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